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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Oct 28, 2010 6:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Rare (but GREAT) Dead Tunes Discussion

Hi folks. I don't post too often, unless I feel I have something significant to contribute like I do today, but I read these forums and listen to the dead daily. Anyway, I wanted to create a thread about people's favorite dead songs that were very rarely played live. There's a handful of great songs, some better than songs they routinely played, that they never pursued musically for whatever reason. I listed out some of my favorites. Please add to the list and if anybody can answer some of my questions about specific songs, I would be very grateful. Have a look.

Alice D. Millionare (played 2 times) – Great little song inspired by an LA Times newspaper headline about Owsely Stanley, identifying him as an “LSD Millionaire.” They only played it twice in 1966. In the 2003 reissue of the band's first studio album from 1967, they added the song as a bonus track, and it sounds fantastic. Unfortunately until then the only versions I could ever find are two muddy sounding recordings. Anybody know why they gave up on this song?

Hey Little One (played 3 times) – As a huge Jerry fan I love this song and it really let him stretch his vocal capabilities. Perhaps he didn't feel he could he could perform adequately anymore? Not sure, but I sure wish I had more than 3 versions to listen to.

Golden Road (played 4 times) – One of the first great songs the band wrote collectively and it sure is a fun, feel-good song I wish they expanded on like Phil has done, and Furthur now (love their setlists). Why drop such a good song from their repetoire?

That's Alright Mama (played twice) – Once in '73 and once more in '86. Jerry and Bob were big Elvis fans, and in the '73 version from the legendary RFK with the Allman Brothers, it is played to perfection. If you haven't heard it in awhile you should have another listen: http://www.archive.org/details/gd73-06-10.sbd.hollister.174.sbeok.shnf

Cream Puff War (played 10 times) – They stopped playing this song in '67. Jerry shredded some unbelievable solos that went on for several minutes in some versions. Another exciting song I'm not sure why they stopped playing.

Keep on Growing (played 4 times) – I love this song. 1985-06-22 shines above the 3 other but they are all great.

How Sweet It Is (PLAYED 1 TIME!) - One of those songs that NOBODY could play like Jerry did. Glad there's so many great version with JGB but why only one try with the Dead? It was a hell of a version they played, I can't see why they wouldn't want to keep playing it unless maybe Jerry wanted some tunes to exclusively play with the JGB

She Belong To Me (played 8 times) – This is one of the most beautiful Dylan songs Jerry ever covered. It's no secret how much Jerry admired Dylan's talent and in this one song in particular Jerry plays so passionately and evokes so much emotion through his voice and guitar, in a way that nobody else could re-create.

Me & My Uncle (played 605 times) – Arguably Bob's best cowboy tune. Not too many versions to chose from though. Maybe because it was written by John Phillips of the Mamas and the Papas?

Death Letter Blues (played once) – Technically the Grateful Dead never played this song. This was played on 1968-10-30 when Bob and Pigpen were kicked out of the band temporarily. They were billed as Mickey and the Hartbeats. Nonetheless delivers an incredible performance on this night, particularly this song which I would love to have heard them play again.

Also does anybody know why they stopped playing The Eleven, Doin' That Rag, Mason's Children, and Sittin' on Top of the World? All incredible songs that post-Jerry bands have revived and continue to be audience favorites at every show I attend.

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Oct 28, 2010 8:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rare (but GREAT) Dead Tunes Discussion

Well, this is such a fragment, and a goof, that it really probably qualifies as a tuning exercise, but Bobby took one half-hearted on-stage shot at Mack the Knife

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1981-11-30.sbd.miller.108843.flac16

I don't believe that this soundboard has been around for very long; there used to be only a rough audience version

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 28, 2010 8:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rare (but GREAT) Dead Tunes Discussion

Wow, that's so funny. Bobby's inner Lounge Singer gets out there for a moment. I was at that show ... a fun time at a scruffy little arena, back when being a Deadhead was kind of "rare" in itself (in a good way. The sight lines were certainly more likely to be good.)

I don't actually remember that Mack the Knife. Probably just seemed like messing around tuning at the time. Thanks for putting that up. Didn't know it was here!

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Oct 28, 2010 9:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rare (but GREAT) Dead Tunes Discussion


You make an excellent point about the era, and a big part of the reason I simply could not come back in the late 80's, even though I tried: after seeing them in all those sweaty little skating rinks - which is basically what Cape Cod, Augusta, Springfield, etc. were, and the upstate New York "War Memorials" - I really hated them in big outdoor stadiums, and the bigger it got the less I liked it.

I made a similar point in yesterday's TDIH 79 thread about those "scruffy little arenas" - man I loved those places!

I mean no slight on those who DID like them big, or who only got to see them in those huge places, you know, but in the early 80's it was odd to be young deadhead. People kind of looked at you funny, because the mainstream had entirely forgotten about them. When I went back after a three year break to Irvine in 1987, the culture shock was horrible: there were drunk frat boys and sorority girls singing along with Sugaree, and I just couldn't handle it (stand it).

In the early 80's my friends and I used to joke about them becoming more and more obscure, eventually doing the dinner theater circuit. We joked, but I think we also half believed it, too, and I do love how wrong we were. I was really thrilled when they blew up in 1987-88, but I never again felt like I "belonged" there, and I quit trying after 2-3 shows in 1989.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 28, 2010 10:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rare (but GREAT) Dead Tunes Discussion

Yes, exactly. I lived in a kind of hippie 'hood, but even there, the Dead felt like an underground thing. Not entirely acceptable, and certainly not "cool" like punk.

But to be honest, I liked it that way. Then, almost overnight in the mid 80s, there were all these GD tie-dyes on the street, and while part of me was glad they'd been "re-discovered" and it seemed like maybe that meant the spirit of the 60s refused to die, which was encouraging, another part of me felt a bit ... almost violated. Like the masses had discovered the great swimmin' hole.

Not that I'm saying the Touchhead era was somehow "wrong;" hey, you're born when you're born and you discover music when you discover it. But I'm glad I got to experience the Ignored Dead.

I actually only saw them once in a huge stadium where I felt lost in the crowd, in '91. I had a good time, but it was weird seeing the boys on a big screen up front, way far away, with so many tie-dye-clad sardines around. Nice that they were still going strong and were so popular -- that in itself was affirming -- but quite different, and I missed the smaller settings.

(Sometimes smaller, IMO, isn't just numbers ... it's also the way a place feels. Or if you get good seats or manage to get up front anyway :-) Btw the number of shows I saw post-'85 is so small -- not intentionally, that's just how it happened -- that I don't even remember the drunk frat boy aspect. Or maybe I just blocked that out!!!)

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Oct 28, 2010 10:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rare (but GREAT) Dead Tunes Discussion

The Ignored Dead - exactly. They were totally not cool, at least around most of Boston, we were laughed at but felt like part of some "great & secret show," to steal a phrase.

We did become suddenly cool just in time to graduate from high school in 1980, which was kind of nice. Three of us blew off our (lousy, small-time catholic high school) senior prom because of a conflicting date with the Dead, and everybody suddenly weirdly respected that. It was kind of a great way, too, at that particular moment, to tell ourselves who we were.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 29, 2010 5:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rare (but GREAT) Dead Tunes Discussion

>Three of us blew off our (lousy, small-time catholic high school) senior prom because of a conflicting date with the Dead,

That's great, I love that.

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Oct 29, 2010 3:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rare (but GREAT) Dead Tunes Discussion

LOL yeah, maybe not quite as cool as I make it sound there.

That prom was no loss at all: two of us had gone to the horrible senior prom the year before and it was a bad joke: a bad wedding band - not even a rock band! (and this was in 1980!!) - and watching all the kids who'd never had a drink before puking on their best dress shoes. So, that, or a Dead show? Hmmm .. tough call, but let's go see the Dead. LOL

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Poster: Dhamma1 Date: Oct 29, 2010 3:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rare (but GREAT) Dead Tunes Discussion

Nice stories, you two. Thanks.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 29, 2010 5:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rare (but GREAT) Dead Tunes Discussion

>When I went back after a three year break to Irvine in >1987, the culture shock was horrible: there were drunk >frat boys and sorority girls singing along with Sugaree, >and I just couldn't handle it (stand it).

I am very glad I missed that.

>In the early 80's my friends and I used to joke about >them becoming more and more obscure,

I remember a Doonesbury cartoon from the late eighties where a character reminisces, "God, the early eighties were great ..." I don't know whether it just *seemed* to all change horribly around that time or if it was just our age, but yeah, in the early eighties Dead shows were a half-hippy thing. Frat boys at Dead shows, I don't think so!!!!

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 28, 2010 8:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rare (but GREAT) Dead Tunes Discussion

Born Cross-Eyed. Only about a dozen times.

New Potato Caboose. Twenty-five times is not enough!

Clementine is a nice little one, too ... more genuinely "rare," I guess, if rare means single digits ... only a couple performances. Couldn't imagine the later GD doing any of those, but maybe that's just cuz they didn't. (Edit: Actually, it would have been interesting to hear them take a stab at Clementine around, say, '74 ...)

Also, just to shoot my credibility, I actually think Do It In the Road had potential. It works so well at least once (7/6/84). Granted, the other six performances are somewhere between comic relief and ouch time ... and, well, you did say GREAT ... certainly not SYF great, but the time it works, it's great smokin' fun.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Oct 28, 2010 6:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rare (but GREAT) Dead Tunes Discussion

In the Pines (played only 1 time?)

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1966-07-17.13959.serafin-marmar-sbefix-4458.flac16

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 28, 2010 7:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rare (but GREAT) Dead Tunes Discussion

I think we will never have an accurate count with some of those early one's .
Hey Little
Alice D
Can't Come Down
You See A Broken H
Parchman Farm
Hog For You
Walkin' The Dog
Even Viola Lee and Death Don't or (shudder ) Me & My Uncle

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Oct 29, 2010 5:39am
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yeah cliff im with ya on that tune. in the pines is up there with hey little one and clementine

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Poster: BataviaSparky Date: Oct 28, 2010 9:36pm
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Obviously "If I Had The World to Give". Wish I coulda heard the Dead do "Run for the Roses". The one version of "Gentlemen Start Your Engines" that I have heard makes me want more. We waited a lifetime for it, but by the time they busted out "Unbroken Chain" there was no way it was ever gonna be fully realized by the Dead with Jerry. Funny but now it's kinda overplayed!

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Oct 29, 2010 8:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rare (but GREAT) Dead Tunes Discussion

Did I miss the part where we talked about Mountains of the Moon?

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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: Oct 28, 2010 7:58pm
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I second that Reuben and Cherise sadly played just 4 times by the Boys and a great Garcia tune sadly left on the shelf all those years....

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Oct 28, 2010 8:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rare (but GREAT) Dead Tunes Discussion

Gathering Flowers for the Master's Bouquet. Played once. Perfectly.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1969-12-26.sbd.warner-evans.28448.sbeok.flac16

I love the banter prior to the song where you can here Jerry saying he isn't sure he knows the whole song and sounding somewhat surprised that Bob does. I think this could have easily fit into the acoustic rotation in 1970.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Oct 29, 2010 8:42am
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I'm a roadrunner was pretty rare. I think they did it twice in the mid 80"s but Jerry took a crack at it with the JGB

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Oct 29, 2010 5:44am
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i kinda wished they kept covering,early morning rain.some other tunes i wished they played more is standing on the corner,big boy pete,golden road,doing that rag,rosemary,operator,doing that rag is a favorite of mine that probably would have sounded great in the 70'or 80's probably any of the tunes they were doing in 1966 would have sounded great in the future.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 29, 2010 7:25am
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Operator is groovy.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 28, 2010 6:45pm
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That's All Right Mama - this is a scorcher done by JGB, love it.

When did the Dead do How Sweet It Is?

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 28, 2010 6:54pm
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3/25/72 ( DB9 )

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1972-03-25.set2.aud.berger.100352.flac16

No SBD . Hell's Angels Party


edit - I've always had a funny picture in my mind of a young BW singing LLR to this crowd . Tears and angst I'm sure .

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 28, 2010 7:04pm
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Thanks. The verdict is the same. Prefer JGB.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 28, 2010 7:07pm
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LOL, really, written in the letters of your name, say what?

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 28, 2010 7:07pm
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Thanks. The verdict is the same. Prefer JGB.

Try:
http://www.bretmiller.com/downloads/JGB-80-02-29-MP3/

sorry for the double post

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 28, 2010 6:54pm
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Gave the That's All Right Mama a listen - nice but I prefer JGB. A song that responded well to the JGB treatment!
Or maybe I'm just in a JGB groove at the moment.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Oct 28, 2010 7:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rare (but GREAT) Dead Tunes Discussion

I agree it's a much better suited song for JGB. Just curious as to why the Dead didn't pursue so many of the songs I listed. With JGB songs like Second That Emotion, Knockin' on Heaven's Door, How Sweet it Is, Jerry brought these songs to a new level that he could not with the Dead, since he didn't have complete musical control with the Dead. With his side projects he had complete freedom, which really allowed him to show off his uniqueness. Even some of the greatest versions of Sugaree, Loser, and Deal (all Dead staples), have JGB versions which are as good or better

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 28, 2010 7:50pm
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JGB never played Loser . I think you need PL for that .
Other GD songs by JGB ( DB9 )
Bird Song ( probably all only w/ JK )
Dire Wolf
FOTD
Ripple
TLEO
TLMD ( again prob. all w/JK )

edit - They also played each of these once , on separate shows
Scarlet
Fire
Victim
Franklins
Throwing Up

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Oct 28, 2010 7:45pm
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I don't know why I thought that for a moment. I have heard solo Jerry studio sessions of him playing Loser though.

Does anybody know if JGB ever did non-acoustic versions of Bird Song or Deep Elem Blues. Such a vast difference between the Dead's acoustic and electric version's of these songs. I would love to hear an electric JGB version of either of these songs

Ripple, FOTD, TLEO, and When I Paint My Masterpiece are very well-suited for JGB as well.


"snow_and_rain" I can't believe I failed to mention Rubin and Cherise. One of my favorite Jerry Songs. That song always puts me in a good mood. Unfortunately I only have a few copies of various versions. If anybody has a decent quality recording of Jerry doing an electric version of Rubin that they would share with me, I would be a very happy man. I have a massive collection of almost every show you can imagine, including almost all official releases and hundreds and hundreds of sbd shows on my terabyte hard drive, and would love to be able to give back as well

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Oct 28, 2010 9:05pm
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the PERRO sessions has a wonderful version of Loser

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 29, 2010 4:25am
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What is that?

(please forgive; apparently there is no end to my newbie questions)

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Oct 29, 2010 6:00am
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hi ring. here's a link for the d/l of blows against the empire if your interested http://www.fileserve.com/file/vVHuRkt/Paul%20Kantner%20-%20Jefferson%20Starship-%281970%29-Blows%20Against%20The%20Empire.rar and here's a lil history on the album.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blows_Against_the_Empire enjoy ring!! :)

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 29, 2010 7:11am
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Ooh, thanks.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Oct 29, 2010 4:51am
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Planet Earth Rock and Roll Orchestra

A loose conglomeration of musicians from various groups (CSN, Jefferson Airplane, Grateful Dead, Dave Freiberg and others at various times) who collaborated on several albums durimg the 1970's. Most noteably Blows Against the Empire and If I could Only Remember My Name. A significant amount of rehersal material circulates, and a PERRO album as well. I have some of this and I can send it to you if you are genuinely interested in hearing it. I have not spent much time with it myself though, and I'm sure Thomas and some other folks here are more familiar with this music and can elaborate further...

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 29, 2010 7:10am
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Thanks very much Cliff. I am so overwhelmed at the moment it would probably just fry my brain circuits, but maybe some time later.

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Oct 29, 2010 10:04am
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Prejudicial opinion alert: If you have the time, listen to If I Could Only Remember My Name. Then you'll know what they were. Even though David Crosby's name is on the cover, it's really the PERRO group. One of the best and most underrated records of that time. I still listen to it constantly.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 29, 2010 11:20am
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Ok

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Oct 29, 2010 10:00am
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The Loser we have is a rehearsal from January '71, mostly just Garcia, bass, and fiddle I think. Much more intimate & plaintive than the Dead's version (I like "last fair deal" more here), and the fiddle is great in the song.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Oct 28, 2010 7:45pm
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Rosemary for sure. Only played 12-7-68.
Although I can see how it might've been hard to find a place for this quiet little song in their live show....they made room for Mountains of the Moon for a few months in '69, though....

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 30, 2010 6:31am
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I always thought that the trs from MotM to DS is one of the BEST they ever did...meaning, I never would have pictured those two together, and recalling I came on board post shows with that linkage, and had no way of knowing they did it, it was only the last few yrs that I even became aware of it.

It's another example of how even in late 68 and early 69 they were doing songs that would've fit right in with acoustic sets of 70, ya know?

Though I largely agree with your pts about changes from 68 thru 71, I am also struck by the continuity; the fact is that they were always capable of pulling out an acoustic esque, jugband/country tune while at their psych/jamming best, IMHO.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Oct 30, 2010 10:01am
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There is some continuity; I generalized. My acoustic-sets post went into tons more detail.

But I do think there is a huge change in approach from mid-'69, in their turn towards country. There's a big difference between doing a bunch of country standards, versus doing a couple folk-derived tunes as a prelude to the big jam. (And Mountains, by the way, was DROPPED after they started to get into all the country stuff. Much as I would've liked to hear it in a 1970 acoustic set...)

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Oct 28, 2010 8:29pm
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I did not know the story behind Alice D Millionaire, which is totally awesome! thank you

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 28, 2010 6:42pm
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http://www.archive.org/details/gd1971-12-05.fm.matera.100316.sbeok.flac16

Muddy Water. One time only. Breaks my heart, completely bizarre that there is only one recording.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Oct 28, 2010 10:45pm
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What's Become of the Baby - technically NEVER played live, the studio version was played over the speakers while the band played feedback on 4/26/69


Sliver Threads - gorgeous folk(?) song played only 17 times. here's my favorite:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd70-05-15.early-late.sbd.97.sbeok.shnf

Let It Rock - just once (by GD) on 6/23/74 why!? could have been such a sweet blues number with them

Stronger than Dirt - such a complex and wonderful jazz jam only played 5 times
http://www.archive.org/details/gd75-09-28.sbd.fink.9392.sbeok.shnf

Blues For Allah - long spaced out song that was only played 3 times in '75 (Deadbase says 2 more in '81 and '84 but they are very loosely based on BFA and sans lyrics)

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Oct 29, 2010 6:29am
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What's Become of the Baby for sure is another dropped gem.

As for Let it Rock, another song that I think benefited more from being played by JGB instead of the Dead, however both bands could have pulled it off.

Another great song I forgot is King Solomon's Marbles. Great jazz song that left plenty of room for jamming.

Tell it To Me and (Ain't it Crazy aka The Rub) I would have loved to hear more as well.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 29, 2010 7:25am
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>As for Let it Rock, another song that I think benefited more from being played by JGB instead of the Dead

Agree

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 29, 2010 5:10am
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>Blues For Allah - long spaced out song that was only played 3 times in '75

I heard Furthur play it this summer and it was really great.

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Poster: Reade Date: Oct 29, 2010 6:24am
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So Sad (To See Good Love Go Bad)

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Poster: rak5877 Date: Oct 29, 2010 8:03am
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i do not like when people complain about how the dead scene "got big" and was "better" before all the "frat boys and sorority chicks" showed up. it strikes me as very elitist and snobby and EXACTLY what the grateful dead are not supposed to be about.

"it's OK if my friends come to the party, but you and your friends aren't alowed to come."

by circumstance of age i got on the dead bus in the late-80s, and probably looked like a bit of a frat-guy in training (i was still in highschool). so you are insulting me and my friends here and i don't like it.

in contrast, and again by the circumstance of age, i was able to board the phish bus relatively early. i first first saw phish in the roseland ballroom, an old taxi-dance joint with approximately 700 other people. 5 and 1/2 years later i saw them at a decomissioned airforce base with 70,000 people. having experienced the aforementioned hippie elitism and having found it to be VERY unpleasant, i went out of my way to avoid those feelings. instead, i reveled in the fact that my extended family had just grown by 10,000%, and my (second) favorite band was getting the adulation it richly deserved.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 29, 2010 11:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rare (but GREAT) Dead Tunes Discussion

I'm sorry. You're right. We shouldn't lump a whole bunch of people together. Sorry to have come across so snotty. Family growing by 100,000 is a nice way to put it.

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Poster: rak5877 Date: Oct 29, 2010 12:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rare (but GREAT) Dead Tunes Discussion

well put. appology accepted.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Oct 28, 2010 9:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rare (but GREAT) Dead Tunes Discussion

Since you mentioned, "Me & My Uncle (played 605 times) – Arguably Bob's best cowboy tune. Not too many versions to chose from though."

We have Keith's keys, Pigs organ grinding, Phil's bombs, and Jer's steel, on a very special LLR.

The boys clearly had it going on another LLR - not just pedal steel playing. Their harmonies on LLR at NY Academy of Music, March 23, 1972 are still a bit sloppy somewhat. This NY Academy's Archive link was mentioned by deadpolitcs in this LLR thread. (It's the CM 100,000 shn-id special reserved by eTree.) deadpolitcs also mentions the Newcastle version, referring to both by saying, "I'm also a great fan of the readings of this song - I just love Jerry on pedal steel and the melody of this song is a perfect fit for this instrument/player combo :)"

19 days later, they nail LLR at Newcastle City Hall, in England. on April 11, 1972. It's a pretty arrangement, with strong harmonies, AND they're pretty tight. Their performance on this arrangement is obviously one they worked VERY hard to get tight. But, Bobby still can't hit it with his vocal highlights on the ending notes.

Listen to the tone(s) and notes Jer gets out of his steel sound. His break, beginning at the 3:00 mark, starts out with a shrill-sounding tone, a bit like what a fiddle player would evoke on a pedal steel. Then he morphs his notes and sound into a pedal steel at 3:40. Just before the 4:00 mark, at the end of his break, Jer does a very sweet steel lick at the 3:50 mark. It's a strange string-bending type-thing. To my ears, it sounds like 2 instruments, a bit like twin violins would play it on a pedal steel. I thought it was a beautiful and original sounding Jer highlight.

Like Me and My Uncle, LLR is played a zillion times. The Newcastle LLR is a stand-out, and deserves mentioning in the Cowboy Song category. Smoking a bowl of MMJ helped me write this...

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Poster: KaiserSose Date: Oct 29, 2010 3:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rare (but GREAT) Dead Tunes Discussion

"Another great song I forgot is King Solomon's Marbles. Great jazz song that left plenty of room for jamming."

Agreed. I loved the OFTV version; it sounded exactly like a Santana song to me. And why they never brought it out when they brought him up on stage was beyond me.

My nomination goes to If I Had the World to Give - bee-yootiful ballad that was quickly shelved. I was surprised Garcia never moved it over to his solo repertoire (or if he did, I was unaware of it).

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Oct 28, 2010 7:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rare (but GREAT) Dead Tunes Discussion

Rubin and Cherise - Played four times in 1991.

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Oct 29, 2010 7:23am
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I'm sorry you must be confused. My Uncle Cliff said that the Grateful Dead did not play after 1977. Perhaps, you are thinking of DSO? Or, ELO? Or, ...


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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Oct 29, 2010 8:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rare (but GREAT) Dead Tunes Discussion

Yeah, well, what can I say? I saw them when I saw them. I saw more shows in '91 than any other year. Catching two of the four R&C's ever played (first and last) helps soften the stigma of being primarily a 90s tour guy.

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Oct 29, 2010 9:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rare (but GREAT) Dead Tunes Discussion

Well, I thought I saw them in '89 and '95 but once I got here I found out I was mistaken. And to think, they looked just like the guys in the ToG video---it was uncanny.

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